Showing posts with label David Blankenhorn. Show all posts
Showing posts with label David Blankenhorn. Show all posts

Sunday, April 7, 2013

Win back the hearts and minds

Though opinion is turning in our favor, we haven't won yet. This is one reason: Senator Rand Paul of Kentucky doesn't want the Supremes to rule on the Calif. marriage equality case. He wants it to remain a state issue.
If we're to say each state can decide, I think a good 25, 30 states still do believe in traditional marriage, and maybe we allow that debate to go on for another couple of decades and see if we can still win back the hearts and minds of people.
I don't think he reads -- or doesn't trust -- the trends in polls that Nate Silver sees.


In contrast…

This week's episode of On Being looks at the gay marriage debate. It is actually a rebroadcast of an episode from last summer, this appearance because of the cases before the Supremes. The show is a discussion between Krista Tippett, the host, Jonathan Rauch, marriage equality advocate, and David Blankenhorn, marriage advocate.

Blankenhorn noticed the importance of men in families, especially poor families. He began to advocate for stronger marriages. At first he thought the issue of gay marriage was a distraction from the real issue. Then he met and teamed up with Rauch.

Rauch, who is gay, also comes from the marriage advocate side. He recognized at a very young age that marriage would be unavailable to him and wanted to figure out why marriage is so important. What is this institution we call marriage? He found it is both love between the couple and a commitment by the couple with each other and with the wider community, and also a commitment by the community with the couple.

Blankenhorn noticed something. Straight couples were fleeing the institution of marriage and gay couples were clamoring to be allowed in. Perhaps gay couples could show straights a better way to be married and to show the importance of the institution.

A part of the discussion is the hope of a new way to look at divisive issues. To tackle them both sides must devote the effort required to understand the other's point of view. The discussion must be done without trying to score debate points or attacking the opponent as a substitute for probing the issue. The result may be that neither side may convert to the other's viewpoint. Even so, a greater goal is achieved -- respect for the other and his view.



Terrence Heath disagrees with Blankenhorn's assertion that a lot of family ills are because of missing fathers. Heath says a lot of family ills are because of poverty. If a guy has a job he can afford to get married.

Heath ponders all this because the Oklahoma House might debate a bill that diverts money from welfare to fund a campaign promoting marriage. Heath says it will fail. Taking money from those who need it most means fewer people will be able to afford to be married.

Thursday, February 26, 2009

A flawed proposal for federal civil unions

I've been a bit busy so I haven't had time to read and comment on a link my friend and debate partner sent to me. In this case he only said I would want to know about it. Last Sunday, the New York Times published an editorial promoting the idea of federal civil unions with religious exemptions. It was written by David Blankenhorn, who has said some weird things about gay marriage, and by Jonathan Rauch, who is a gay conservative and wrote the book "Gay Marriage: Why It Is Good For Gays, Good For Straights, and Good for America." I've admired Rauch in the past.

We know the basic issue: Gays demand the support of marriage for their loves and families. Many religious people think that God can't possibly tolerate such an abomination. We're at an impasse.

So the proposal is to meet halfway: Gays get federally supported civil unions, giving all the benefits of marriage except name. Religious institutions don't have to honor them. To make sure of that last part they propose the federal civil unions only take effect in states that enact those religious exemptions. Doing it this way would head off a "long-term take-no-prisoners conflict."

One might wonder why the existing Bill of Rights -- the First Amendment part that allows religious institutions to not marry any couple that doesn't fit their guidelines -- isn't enough. Apparently such institutions also don't want the possibility of being forced to provide benefits to the spouse of a gay employee (even if done with the federal dime) or recognize a gay spouse in a religious hospital.

My reaction: It won't work.

We already have a "long-term take-no-prisoners conflict."

Many religious institutions -- as Utah demonstrates in one of today's other posts -- aren't just trying to protect marriage. They want to completely eliminate gays. Their long-term efforts have consistently been to thwart any recognition of gays and gay rights. Federal civil unions contradict that goal. In the broader culture wars, gays are only one piece. Must we compromise on everything else too, such as abortion? (Alas, in some sense, we have. Do you know how many counties where women have no access to abortions? About 87%)

Gays would remain upset that churches are allowed to remain bigots on the federal dime. Our taxes are being used to pay for our second class status.

Federal civil unions may indeed be a step towards marriage, though many gays would fear that halfway measure would become permanent. However, providing such a broad religious exemption only enshrines bigotry. We didn't exempt churches from civil rights laws protecting blacks. Laws banning interracial marriage were given religious justification.

Other gay voices also call the proposal flawed. Some of the ideas mentioned:

The religious viewpoint is morally and intellectually bankrupt -- witness how much of their arguments are based on lies or are based on visions of catastrophic results.

Gays have already compromised with state-by-state civil unions. While some gays get some protections and benefits, this patchwork is leading to the judicial efforts that Fundies are up in arms about.

A compromise like this would only work if both sides have equal power. As in all civil rights issues, that is a flawed assumption. One side holds the power and refuses to give any of it up.

When making compromises one must pay very close attention to its consequences that may take years to undo, forcing us to live with an unequal system in the meantime. The original proposal doesn't discuss such costs, never mind asking whether such long-term costs are worth the short-term gains. One long-term cost is too many straights will feel the problem has been "solved" even if gays are left with inequalities.

Even in this compromise some gays don't see what the Fundies are giving up. A compromise means each side gives up a bit. Yet, Fundies still get to be bigots. Perhaps it will be a compromise if we give religious people the word "marriage" and all government institutions refer to civil unions.

In what other area of American law do we allow a religious exemption? If we allow it here how far will the exemptions go?

Federal civil unions would only provide federal benefits in states that already have gay marriage or civil-unions. If your state (like Michigan) bans both, you're out of luck.

The reasons for the "religious exemption" clause are already included in other laws. Which means Fundies aren't interested in a religious exemption. They want to ban everyone from recognizing gay marriage. Gays won't have to reject this compromise because Fundies will -- the fight against civil unions has been just as strong as for marriage.

Political history suggests a compromise isn't necessary. DOMA could fall in a couple years and the Supreme Court ruling in our favor could come in 15.

How about this idea: ban recognition of Mormons, then move on to Southern Baptists and other Fundie denominations.

I wrote all that yesterday but a browser/website glitch prevented me from posting it before I dashed to help at the Ruth Ellis Center. Just as well, here's a bit more on the story.

There were a couple nasty comments made in the last few days, both by Colorado state senators. One was in response to a bill to grant benefits to same-sex partners of state employees (they've come a long way from Amendment 2 in the 1990s which tried to ban gay friendly laws). As part of his argument Senator Scott Renfrew quoted Leviticus, stressing that gays should be put to death.

The other was Senator Dave Schultheis who voted against a bill that would provide for HIV testing of pregnant women at a time when the results could prevent the fetus from contracting the virus. His reason is that such a test would promote promiscuity and the baby deserves to get AIDS.

These people have no intention of ever compromising. The federal civil union "compromise" has no chance of getting their approval. Which I guess means there is no need to carve out a religious exception.

One of the commenters to this posting brought up 1 Samuel 18:20-21:

And Michal, Saul's daughter, loved David: and they told Saul, and the thing pleased him. And Saul said, "I will give him her, that she may be a snare to him, and that the hand of the Philistines may be against him." Wherefore Saul said to David, "Thou shalt this day be my son-in-law a second time." (American Standard Version)

Second time? That means the first time was when David and Jonathan were married?